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    Posted: 28 Nov 2013 at 12:39pm
I saw this today...
 
 
 
It shows the ignorance at Government levels regarding soil structure, length of time to create sites etc etc. I would like to know how the populations of those translocations from Thames Gateway to Wiltshire have held up. I bet there's massive losses.
 
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In very many cases they will argue the work is necessary and will benefit in the long-term.

My own monitoring of local sites that have undergone this kind of 'management' using plant machinery shows otherwise. Often there is an initial increase in sightings (as might be expected as surviving animals are pushed into smaller areas of habitat) followed by declines in overall numbers.

As the areas recover (if they are allowed to depending on if they are mowed/grazed etc.) the animals do not return. The vegetation might look promising but as can be seen clearly from Keith's first picture the surface soil structure is destroyed. This is extremely imported for a whole range of smaller animals and would take decades to recover, if it ever did.

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Some silly names that RSPB really stands for any more ideas .

Royal society prefers birds
Reptile site place bulldozed
Rather scrape places barren
Real stupid prats biased
THIS WAS THE BULLDOZING ON HYDE HEATH A FEW YEARS BACK
FOR those newer members,just what RSPB managements about. no dout its covered in foliage by now ,but the animal wont have recovered.
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I've realised over the years that although the RSPB say they manage sites for all flora and fauna, that isn't really so where I live. Their management is heavily skewed towards birds, hence all the scraping and flattening.
We all have tales of lost little patches (or not so little) where every year we might reliably expect to see something, be it a plant, butterfly, insect or, yes, even a bird. Now no more due to heavy handed obliteration of habitat.
All very sad.
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Sadly Keith (yes I'm still here too lol) what you are saying is in very many cases correct.

Grants and funding have been made available in the past (particularly for the dreaded 'heathland restoration'. Some conservation organisations have applied for this money, then felt obliged to carry out works or simply come up with 'conservation schemes' so they can get hold of the money in the first place. 

Often there has been little or no regard for resident wildlife. If that sounds too critical or fanciful, why it is beyond them to carryout simple pre-works surveys for protected species such as reptiles I wonder.. Also why do they hate outside help so much? I remain as cynical as ever.

This is why often when people who know a local site try to get involve the information provided is totally ignored. The funding is already in place the work is going ahead whatever anyone tries to point out to them regarding existing animals. 

I wonder if the down turn in the economy is actually doing our wildlife a favour, less money around for so called conservation schemes that actually destroy existing wildlife and soil structure.


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Looking over every ones response to my original tag exposing the rspbs role in Hyde heaths bashing by bulldozers.perhaps the people responsible are more concerned in getting grants for managing heaths this way as it secures their jobs and pay, if they can submit huge bills by using the contractors then some one in the governments grants quango can see that the money is being well spent(should say wasted) and will carry on with payments as long as they keep submitting these bills ,its bit like councils that have to spend out before the financial year on spurious road works to get more cash from the ratepayers cornucopia horn of plenty. Also they have more chance getting a three hundred grand grant if they can submit some firm that some council official is a director ,Its easier then asking for wages for half a dozen people at around £400 a week each for doing about three months work costing about 28000k or give some Romanians work who will do it cheaper lol .keith

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That's good to hear Steve. KRAG have recently had some success with the
county wildlife trust and have been approached to write a letter of support
for a grant applications and to discuss management strategies on several
sites. The letter of support we have written could be considered an attempt
at preemptive praise on your influence diagram!

To be fair, some of the management dialogue was promoted by KRAG
commenting about what we considered to be 'over enthusiastic'
management of a key reptile site.
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To be honest...it's rare that anybody understands my influence diagrams 

But yes, SARG are doing all of the ARG-indicated boxes, with the exception of the 'praise' element. Hopefully the imminent Ash management will provide an opportunity.

We're most successful at providing distribution awareness to the land-manager stakeholders, which gets very complicated in Surrey! (owner, lease-holder, management agreement, specialist rare herp management areas, grazing managers etc all on the same site)

I've just rolled out the online distribution mapping to MoD, covering their Surrey ranges and training areas. They asked me for it!

The Waverley BC, SWT and ARC mapping is done and running, next are the NT sites (partially complete).
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Originally posted by Vicar Vicar wrote:

Right...all that talk of jigsaw pieces got me thinking.Here's a
stab at an influence diagram.


Steve, have you yet had any feedback on your influence diagram and is this
something that has been adopted by Surrey ARG?

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Hi Chris has there been any form of response from the rspb into the Hyde heath habitat destruction keithd

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