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    Posted: 19 Jul 2014 at 9:32pm
I doubt whether anyone has seen anything as ridiculous as this recently
 
Spot any inaccuracies??Wacko
 
A few facts:
 
The park has been a public open space since 1910. The habitat is a mixture of short-mown grass, flower beds, a stream and tarmac, Where the adders are supposed to hang out is long grass and nettle beds shaded by trees and is occasionally flooded. Perfect for them, eh?
 
The park is surrounded by houses and roads and the nearest known adders are over 15 miles away on the other side of the river Severn with Worcester and Kidderminster also in between. There is no way that an adder could get there under its power and no way that adders could have survived in such an unsuitable habitat for so long without being discovered. 
 
I have heard that the adder bites were originally identified by a vet who is qualified to recognise an adder bite because they have recently "moved from the south-west. Originally it was claimed that one dog had died and another had been bitten. Now it's possibly a horse fly or a wasp...
 
The problem is that some ill-informed moron who works for the council has yet again damaged the image of the adder as the result of a knee jerk reaction. I do know the name of this person but I won't post it on here as he is the council's tree officer and I wouldn't want to embarass him in public.
 
Crap like this just makes me despair  Angry
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I worked with a lady many years ago whose dog was "bitten by an adder" and unfortunately died. The place she was walking was 99.9% not adder territory. The vet found no bite marks but concluded it must have been an adder. I suspected at the time it was an insect bite to which the dog had reacted badly.
So, yes, these ridiculous reports get about but unfortunately people remember the adder bit and not the more likely an insect bit.


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These reports from areas without adders (ie most of England) always seem to start with the vet not knowing what is the cause and having to tell the owner something - so they hazard a guess that it might be an adder. This immediately becomes fact in the owner's mind and the panic reaction is to broadcast to all and sundry that dangerous adders are present and everyone and their dog is in danger.
No matter what herpetologists say in denial, the public only remember the original story and everyone in the vicinity "knows" that adders are present.


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By the way Alan, in answer to your first question I had a ridiculous conservation with a Council press officer over one of these non-adder adder bite incidents several years ago.
A dog died a day after being in a fight in long grass in one of our country parks. It had several bites on both nose and balls, so probably a rat, mink, stoat or weasel all of which have been seen in the area. The vet of course pronounced it had been killed by an adder.
Once the local Parish Council heard this, they started demanding that the County Council take action to safeguard everyone in the village and their pets from these dangerous vipers. The press officer contacted me and I explained that there weren't any adders within 20 miles, that the snakes that locals did see were grass snakes which were very common in the area and therefore we wouldn't be posting warning notices about non-existent animals.  She kept mentioning vipers during the phone conversation and at the very end just when I thought we had got the press release sorted she said " so there are three snakes in Derbyshire, adders, grass snakes and vipers".
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We had a recent out break of dogs becoming ill from believe it or not grass snakes attacking dogs   on Sudbury's common land reported by hysterical women walking their pooches in a area where adders are exstinct within the area, they have more chance of their pets being swallowed by some python that has outgrown its vivarium and been released into the wild by owners. Most of the bites are from rats insects, and what vets have any experience in identifying adder bites or have ever seen a adder. ps I wrote a post in june about feral grassie bitings in the grass snake blog keith

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It is common for people to assume vets known everything.

Having worked with several dozen of them in large veterinary hospitals in the past, I can confirm it is not the case. Very few have any form of specialism in reptiles, fewer still could diagnose a snake bite or confirm it was from an adder.

The only way to determine if it was an adder (unless the pet owner saw and identified the snake) would be a toxicology report.

Perhaps one of the herp organisations could write to BVA and urge them to educate their vets on the topic? It may at least prevent some of these stories in the future.


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