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Well at least we don't really disagree on much then Wellies. I totally agree that felling Pine is effective.

Trouble is that isn't the sort of work we see at the begining of this thread and turning what is now good habitat to bare earth is what makes my blood boil. I've lost count of how often I have seen it on sites that could have benefitted from some tree felling or other management or at least some compensation by the creation of new habitat (log/brash piles) for many species to colonise. Yet instead the scrub is bashed to death to leave what looks more like a car park than anything else. It's no shock to me that at such sites I see declining numbers of animals.

 

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Steve a ray of hope indeed, but the core point could be 'it isn't actually that hard to do' in practical terms it is just getting those involved to actually listen and accept the advice.

From my perspective if a developer can do it, and trust me with help they can, we shouldn't really be so excited that we can. Didn't we all know we could, if people would listen to us.

PS Wellies, Consultants really are bunch of...  I've know enough of them

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Most enlightened heath lovers absoluty agree with the felling of pine trees that blanketed out heaths and killed off the heather and every thing else under them, but what method will be used to remove the trees ? unless the management has a fleet of Suffolk punches! I think not more likley the bulldozers will be bought in again but then the trees have done the damage as theres no animals left to kill

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan Hyde Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jun 2009 at 8:54am
Originally posted by Vicar Vicar wrote:

I also sympathise with Al's position of being a competent herpetologist, yet the 'system' doesn't recognise him as an authority..


Ah Just seen this , no worries whatsoever Steve . The System Knowingly murders reptiles , I do not. The System has some very good knowledgable people, and many many jumped up novices pumped up on their own self importance , "Got the paperwork, been in the field twice, i'm the bees knees me"

I'll always remain true to myself and care about our native wildlife and what is happening out there.
That's what's important.



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Hi Chris has there been any form of response from the rspb into the Hyde heath habitat destruction keithd

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote calumma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by Vicar Vicar wrote:

Right...all that talk of jigsaw pieces got me thinking.Here's a
stab at an influence diagram.


Steve, have you yet had any feedback on your influence diagram and is this
something that has been adopted by Surrey ARG?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vicar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Aug 2009 at 2:35pm
To be honest...it's rare that anybody understands my influence diagrams 

But yes, SARG are doing all of the ARG-indicated boxes, with the exception of the 'praise' element. Hopefully the imminent Ash management will provide an opportunity.

We're most successful at providing distribution awareness to the land-manager stakeholders, which gets very complicated in Surrey! (owner, lease-holder, management agreement, specialist rare herp management areas, grazing managers etc all on the same site)

I've just rolled out the online distribution mapping to MoD, covering their Surrey ranges and training areas. They asked me for it!

The Waverley BC, SWT and ARC mapping is done and running, next are the NT sites (partially complete).
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That's good to hear Steve. KRAG have recently had some success with the
county wildlife trust and have been approached to write a letter of support
for a grant applications and to discuss management strategies on several
sites. The letter of support we have written could be considered an attempt
at preemptive praise on your influence diagram!

To be fair, some of the management dialogue was promoted by KRAG
commenting about what we considered to be 'over enthusiastic'
management of a key reptile site.
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Looking over every ones response to my original tag exposing the rspbs role in Hyde heaths bashing by bulldozers.perhaps the people responsible are more concerned in getting grants for managing heaths this way as it secures their jobs and pay, if they can submit huge bills by using the contractors then some one in the governments grants quango can see that the money is being well spent(should say wasted) and will carry on with payments as long as they keep submitting these bills ,its bit like councils that have to spend out before the financial year on spurious road works to get more cash from the ratepayers cornucopia horn of plenty. Also they have more chance getting a three hundred grand grant if they can submit some firm that some council official is a director ,Its easier then asking for wages for half a dozen people at around £400 a week each for doing about three months work costing about 28000k or give some Romanians work who will do it cheaper lol .keith

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Sadly Keith (yes I'm still here too lol) what you are saying is in very many cases correct.

Grants and funding have been made available in the past (particularly for the dreaded 'heathland restoration'. Some conservation organisations have applied for this money, then felt obliged to carry out works or simply come up with 'conservation schemes' so they can get hold of the money in the first place. 

Often there has been little or no regard for resident wildlife. If that sounds too critical or fanciful, why it is beyond them to carryout simple pre-works surveys for protected species such as reptiles I wonder.. Also why do they hate outside help so much? I remain as cynical as ever.

This is why often when people who know a local site try to get involve the information provided is totally ignored. The funding is already in place the work is going ahead whatever anyone tries to point out to them regarding existing animals. 

I wonder if the down turn in the economy is actually doing our wildlife a favour, less money around for so called conservation schemes that actually destroy existing wildlife and soil structure.


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