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Winter Palmates

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Category: Herpetofauna Native to the UK
Forum Name: Palmate Newt
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Topic: Winter Palmates
Posted By: Suzy
Subject: Winter Palmates
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2018 at 9:23pm
Spotted these three in the pond's canal this evening. I thought there would be some about with the temp being 8C. Actually there were two more close by but they weren't clear so I cropped them out. 




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Suz



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2018 at 12:18pm
I won't post more images, but I saw seven palmates last night and a frog. Air temp 10deg. Makes me wonder just how many stay in the ponds overwinter. 

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Suz


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2020 at 3:23pm
Was netting some duckweed out of one of the ponds today and had to stop as so many palmate young were in the weed. I put a few in a tomato paste lid before putting them back in the pond.




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Suz


Posted By: Liz Heard
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2020 at 6:59pm
Very nice Suzy - thanks for sharing . I always have to sift carefully through the duckweed i remove too. As well as the newts, i regularly pull out ramshorn and various other pond snails, leeches, water slaters etc. If i don't regularly remove duckweed, then of course i can't pond watch. I hate that bloody stuff!
Strangely, where i used to have Lemna gibba (the most common species), for some reason, in recent years this has been almost completely replaced by something - believe it or not - even worse. Namely, Lemna minuta which is very similar except it's even smaller and therefore more difficult to remove. AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!

By the way, just been looking through some old pics and found this one of some frog spawn that's been eaten by smooth and palmate newts. If you look closely you can see the slightly dirty, ragged ruptures in the jelly made by 'torpedoeing' newts. They only eat the 'yolk'. Fussy buggers



Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2020 at 2:24pm
Yes I get hundreds of ramshorn snails, but I'm afraid I have to sacrifice lots of them to get rid of the duckweed. I don't worry too much as they increase like mad. Some things crawl back into the pond, some don't, when you put removals on the pond's edge. I now put the duckweed on a metal grill above a plastic trough and pour water over it and a lot of wildlife drops through for adding back to pond. However the newts are too tiny and fragile to survive when the duckweed is lifted out they kind of get trapped in the weight of it (as you will know). So I put the weed in water in a bowl to remove them, all a frig so I will leave it for now. 
Do you remember my photo (not great) of a band of palmates attacking some frogspawn? Although the photo didn't show too well, I saw about eleven newts before my torch scared them off - little bgrs! Your jelly photo is interesting.
I'm not sure which duckweed I have, it's certainly a nuisance but I see the wildlife benefits e.g. to newt tadpoles.


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Suz


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2021 at 12:39pm
After several weeks of low temps, with ponds frozen some days, the temp has now shot up to double figures. I reckoned last night some newts might be mobile as it was 9 degs. Sure enough two palmates were seen in the pond weed - also a couple of backswimmers. The latter are active all year and just lay dormant under frozen water until it thaws and then they are on the prowl again.

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Suz


Posted By: kevinb
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2021 at 4:48pm
I visited a group of small ponds in Maesteg a few weeks ago and counted 67 Palmates, the weather changed and the ponds froze so I had to wait for a revisit, I went there at night on Feb 5th and counted  286.


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 3:59pm
Wow Kevin what an enormous number of palmates! 
Just this afternoon I've seen a male tail wafting. The weather has taken a dive again here, but when it is settled and dry I will have a sit and pond watch for others.


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Suz


Posted By: chubsta
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 9:11am
Havent seen any at all here although that is possibly due to the pond being totally overgrown - was unable to clear the pond due to an injury last Autumn/Winter so I guess it is far too late to do it now?


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 4:49pm
I've been sitting out pond watching on decent days - like today - definitely a several layer, hat and gloves job though. Today I saw at least six palmates, some with a mate. I saw one having a nibble at the frog spawn.

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Suz



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