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Topic: rearing taddies in a bowl
Posted By: Tom Omlette
Subject: rearing taddies in a bowl
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2015 at 8:39pm
posted elsewhere by someone else but i would love to get my hands on some of these awesome babies lol! i think i'd have to keep at least one though!





tom



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Posted By: GemmaJF
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2015 at 9:09pm
Wow, wonder what they will end up looking like Smile


Posted By: will
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 7:10am
I can't imagine they'll survive for long in the wild - maybe someone will take them into captivity for safe-keeping


Posted By: PondDragon
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 1:12pm
I expect these will develop normal pigmentation as they develop, since albinism is genetically recessive. Albino mother but (probably) normal father(s). Potentially you could have the eggs fertilised by a male carrying the albino gene, in which case some would develop normally and others as albinos.


Posted By: lalchitri
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 6:27pm
As an aside, I also take a couple of clumps out from my garden pond to rear in tubs.
They occasionally get this problem where some develop bubbles under their skin and float on their backs at the surface of the water.
I've read this is due to over oxygenization of the water which can be caused by over changing with fresher water (from a popular Aussie tadpole care website).
However, in my experience it is usually linked with water that has started to emit a foul odour and unless I change the water they tend to die.
Never seen the same condition occuring in the garden pond.
Any ideas on what it is and its prevention?


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Posted By: GemmaJF
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2015 at 7:17pm
I change the water weekly with rain water from a water butt, I've never seen this problem when rearing common frog tadpoles, though if the water were rancid I would definitely change it.


Posted By: lalchitri
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 6:35pm
Though a different species, seems to be the same condition they are discussing here.

http://frogs.org.au/community/viewtopic.php?t=6965&sid=e0c3c3103420ad2832ad40f5f0018175

Tried to take a pic, but my phone cam has rubbish auto focus.
You can just make them out here, some of them have died and the rest are feeding on the bodies.

http://abload.de/image.php?img=wp_0005216ksru.jpg" rel="nofollow">


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Posted By: GemmaJF
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2015 at 9:04am
I think looking at that thread the bubble wasn't under the skin, it was in the guts. Perhaps some form of fermentation of the food they are eating or a bacterial infection? It's a guess but I can't put forward much else.

I would recommend putting them in shallow trays with rain water. Feed only lettuce that has been boiled for 20 minutes (in rain water not tap water). Liquidise the lettuce and water mix then freeze the mix in ice cube trays. Don't overfeed, only place one cube (still frozen) in the water at a time and do not feed again until it is all used up.


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2015 at 11:30am
When I put my boiled/chopped lettuce in the containers the other day there was such a feeding frenzy it was like pirhana (sp?). Within a few minutes the whole lot had gone and any tougher bits had been eaten to the ribs. They are showing much more interest in the lettuce now they are bigger. Perhaps it's hunger or can manage it better.

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Posted By: lalchitri
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 2:21am
I haven't fed anything till now, as they are still young.
Feed is not really a factor.
This year, the tub that gets the most  sunlight and greenest water has lost all the spawn.
I use clear plastic tubs and put them in open sunlight.
The tub most in the shade has the biggest tads, clearest water and lowest death rate.
 


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Posted By: GemmaJF
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 11:12am
I don't place them in direct sunlight and do not let them eat whatever happens to grow in there. They are in a confined space and one needs to manage for that with providing known safe food. I have literally thousands in each tray (on a second batch of small ones after releasing most of the first batch already) and zero mortality observed.  

Change your methods and I think you'll solve the problems Smile


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 4:57pm
I moved mine into total shade last week but then after two days I moved them so that they get the sun from 3 to 5 pm roughly. By that time the sun is not overhead and the containers have a shady side because of shadows.
I've not lost any yet and they are coming along nicely -but not as fast as Gemma's cheatpoles!


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Posted By: lalchitri
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 1:03pm
I do usually feed (chopped spinach, ham etc), just haven't so far this year to rule it out as a factor.
I'm pretty sure its the direct sunlight as it seems to happen in warmer weather (like last week).
Its turns the water very quickly (1 day on Saturday whilst I was away for the day).
Since I've kept in the shade, they have been fine despite the continued warm weather.


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Posted By: GemmaJF
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 8:06pm
Glad you've solved the problem. It can get very hot in tanks or trays in direct sunlight. I know they look for those conditions in a pond but they can always cool off when they want to. In trays they are stuck with whatever temperature the water rises to and there isn't the heat sink affect of a large pond to keep the temperature within reasonable limits.

Was lovely here today watching tadpoles in the pond. They are so big now, the second batch from just two weeks later that I still have in trays look tiny in comparison.


Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2015 at 12:06am
Lettuce, yum yum.



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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 11:30pm
Over the last few days I've been letting my taddies go into my two ponds. They had got quite big and didn't seem to be getting any further forward developmentally in the bowls. Although I was feeding them lettuce, which they went mad for, as previous picture above shows, I just wondered if they'd be big enough to look after themselves now.
The two ponds are different. One is shallow with complete duckweed cover - the water underneath this cover is crystal clear. The other is much deeper - with a shallow platform at one end, and is quite green as there is not enough weed cover. There are plenty of newts in there and clumps of algeous weed that I hope will provide food for the taddies. The pond weed in there and the frog bit have not got going for the season well enough yet.


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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2016 at 12:38pm
I am absolutely staggered by how many tadpoles come from one clump of frog spawn. I knew it was a lot, but never realised it was several hundred.
Mine are coming along in various containers and having lettuce meals. The containers only catch the sun from mid afternoon for an hour or two. I find too much sun will algae the water up and the warmth de-oxygenates the water and the tads die.
When they get to big tadpole size I will divvy them out between the two ponds.


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Posted By: Suzy
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2016 at 9:00pm
Released all my taddies on Thursday 21st April into my smaller shallower pond. I just felt they were beefy enough to fend for themselves, and with only a couple of hours of late afternoon sun on their containers it was starting to green up the water slightly and mean I had to refresh it frequently. They seem to be doing OK in the pond and there are plenty wriggling round the edges.



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