![]() |
the online meeting place for all who love our amphibians and reptiles |
|
Lyric to song "English Country Garden" |
Post Reply ![]() |
Author | |
Liz Heard ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Location: South West Status: Offline Points: 1429 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posted: 20 Sep 2011 at 6:19pm |
American cowboy singer Jimmie Rodgers had a big hit in 1962 with a distinctive song which enthusiastically recorded the invertebrates, animals and flowers in garden habitat.
you may well know it. the fact that it has been covered by scores of recording artists (including Rolf Harris, the Dandys, Fred Wedlock and The Darkness) and has been commonly sung by classrooms of primary school inmates etc ever since is testament to its evergreen greatness. along with Joni Mitchells (remarkably ahead of its time) classic Big Yellow Taxi ("pay farmers to put away the DDT/give me spots on apples but leave me the birds and the bees. please") it is one of very few chart hits from the 60s that spoke about important issues like the natural world - instead of "i want to hold your hand/baby come back" etc. however, some of the species that Jimmie logged in his memorable "survey report" have always raised an eyebrow with me. i havent got much gripe with the 1st verse (the flora) but in the 2nd (invertebrates and other animals) he cheerfully insists "there are snakes, ants that sting and creeping things in an English Country Garden". i wouldnt have thought the former setting of lawns and herbaceous borders etc ideal for adder even in 1962. of course grassies are occasionally found in gardens. so i previously dismissed this line as exaggerated. but i just found out that Jimmie only popularised the song. its a folk tune from the 1700s. that puts a whole new light on it. back then, few gardeners or lyricists would have known that the "snakes" they commonly encountered were in fact, legless lizards. so the words are accurate for the knowledge of the era. can anybody shed any light on the £rd and final verse of "English Country Garden though please? im not much of a twitcher but 3 of the UK garden songbird species commonly spotted in an English country garden during the 1700s seem very unfamiliar to me! Bobolink Tanager Cardinal Bluebird all in the same breath alongside the more expected Thrush and Nightingale. anybody got an theory or explanation for this? perhaps these species were common UK migrants or residents when the song was penned and have since become extinct here like the Red-backed Shrike? or maybe these are just now-neglected alternative or local names for Blackbirds and Wrens. like Throstle for Ring Ouzel in Cumbria? cheers, ben |
|
![]() |
|
GemmaJF ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jan 2003 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 4359 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Bobolink - would have originally been Blackbird, the Bobolink is the New world equivalent
Tanager - a colourful American Passeriforme Cardinal Bluebird - again an American species It's pretty much accepted that no two versions of the song are actually the same, so no doubt American influence led to a change in lyrics rather than the species representing migrants. It may well have been in the 1700s that adder actually were quite common in gardens, though I accept at the time anything without legs was probably an adder (well actually a nadder or naedre, naddere, addere etc) Regarding the natural environment and songs from the '60s try: What have they done to the earth? What have they done to our fair sister? Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn And tied her with fences and dragged her down Jim Morrison, The Doors (The Lizard King, visionary and all round good egg)
Edited by GemmaJF - 20 Sep 2011 at 7:35pm |
|
![]() |
|
Suzy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1447 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I used to live in what is now Cumbria and a throstle was a thrush when I was there Ben.
|
|
Suz
|
|
![]() |
|
Caleb ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 11 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 660 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Oddly, I was discussing this not so long ago, with someone who knows a bit about folk music. Apparently the tune is 18th century (or older), but the lyrics are 20th century. Quite possible that Jimmie Rodgers (or his songwriter) was responsible for them, hence the unfamiliar birds... |
|
![]() |
|
Liz Heard ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Location: South West Status: Offline Points: 1429 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
thanks for your thoughts and info. yeah, Doors great band Gemma.
wonder why Jimmie chose to inaccurately change the words then and what the original lines were? anyway if he can do it so can i.... How many kinds of sweet herpers post on a British Reptile Forum? ill tell you now of some that i know to those ive missed, sorry ive ignored em Suzi, Gemma, Baby Sue Chris, Mark, Kev, Agilis too Roberts that debate over grass snake scars then theres Kit, Will, Jim a pair of Tims on a British Reptile Forum. it was my mate Bryn (an ex-gamekeeper from Cumbria) that told me they called Ring Ouzels "Throstles" up there Suz. maybe it varies even within the same county? cheers, ben Edited by ben rigsby - 22 Sep 2011 at 5:29pm |
|
![]() |
|
Suzy ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1447 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yep not saying anyone was wrong, just how I remember throstles. In fact it was lovely as the people called the birds old fashioned local names - golden crested wren for goldcrest, spink or spinks for chaffinch, jemmy crane for heron and more I can't remember now.
When I lived in the Lakes it was Lancashire, now it's Cumbria! |
|
Suz
|
|
![]() |
|
Liz Heard ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Location: South West Status: Offline Points: 1429 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Well, unhappy with the Americanisms, i've corrected it - and added a verse of shamefully overlooked taxa
![]() UK Country Garden How many kinds of wild flowers grow In a Gloucester county garden? I'll tell you now Of some that i know And those i miss You'll surely pardon Agrostis, Poa, Timothy, Bittercress, Beech, Hazel tree Ragwort, Bindweed, Crepis, Willowherb Ivy up and over walls Bryophytes where water falls In a Gloucester county garden How many insects buzz or crawl below Through a British backyard garden? I'll tell you now Of some that i know And those i miss You'll surely pardon Hoverflies, moths, bumblebees Woodlice, Earwig, Centipedes Butterflies that sway On the lead-polluted breeze Flower Bugs alight and bite It's the Midges' turn at night In our town and country gardens How many songbirds flit to and fro Through our Celtic country gardens? I'll tell you now Of some that i know And those i miss You'll surely pardon Blackbird, Robin, Nightingale, Goldfinch, Sparrow, Wren and Quail A Song Thrush at his anvil Hammering a snail Hope is borne by feathered wing With the signals migrants bring To our Celtic UK gardens How many mammals, our nearest, dearest kin Share our homes, sheds, parks and gardens? I'll tell you now Of some that i know And those i miss You'll surely pardon House Mouse, Brown Rat, Fox and Shrew Sometimes Badgers - just a few 'hogs rustle in the leaves From the birds the squirrel thieves Then at dusk the Pipistrelle From the alcove where it dwells Raids our backyard outdoor larders How many herptiles creep to and fro Through our allotment plots and gardens? I'll tell you now That the species range is low But pet releases Won't be pardoned Slow worms are the likeliest I doubt you'll hear an Adder hiss Grass Snakes may grow long But before you blink they're gone The official stamp of spring Is when the Common Frogs come sing From the ponds and puddles of our gardens Edited - missed a bit out. Edited by Liz Heard - 21 Aug 2021 at 11:00am |
|
![]() |
|
chubsta ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 26 Apr 2013 Location: Folkestone,Kent Status: Offline Points: 430 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Look forward to hearing the demo...
|
|
![]() |
|
Liz Heard ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2010 Location: South West Status: Offline Points: 1429 |
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Don’t think it could get that far. I’ve done several of these semi-mimicking corruptions of well known oldies and although I’m quite happy, our guitarist won’t touch any of them.
![]() EG Tony Hatch ‘Messing about on the river’ became a song about alcoholism (Messing about with your liver), an other-end-of-the-social-scale version of ‘Where you you go to my lovely?’ sprang up, the Johnny Cash song ‘Jackson’ got reinvented as a look at the Michael Jackson controversy, ‘I fought the law (and the law won) became an ode to champion buttock clencher Lamarr Chambers - Lamarr fought the law (and Lamarr won), and following a chat about the industry with a care home employee I met, another Clash tune got twisted. ‘Career Opportunities’ dropped a letter - Carer Opportunities. Anyway, how are the ‘hogs? |
|
![]() |
Post Reply ![]() |
|
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions ![]() You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |