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hi

just wondering if you could show me the site you got the slows from. I would appreciate it if it was possible for me to get one.

oh yeah and sorry i didnt have time to read this whole thread about the italian slows. so does this meen they are illegal to sell or buy even if they are italian?



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I keep Giant african land snails, cats, freshwater snails and hopefully a slow worm.
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Do you have a garden boocat? if you do then possibly this is where you should start looking - gardens are good sites for slowworms they do like living in urban and suburban settings

My parents have a thriving slowworm population in their garden thanks to my childhood collecting days - I also have some in my garden - it is always best to come to the conclusion that keeping slowworms is better when they are out in the garden rather than indoors

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Originally posted by boocat boocat wrote:

just wondering if you could show me the site you got the slows from. I would appreciate it if it was possible for me to get one.

The shop that had the slow worms which were imported as part of a shipment from Russia (I've now got the paperwork on my four, and the shop owner was incorrect as to their origin) does not have any more this year - the importer may bring more in next summer, but there's no guarantee that the shop I got mine from will be buying them. I will be keeping an eye out for more imports, but there won't be any available for six months or more.

Quote oh yeah and sorry i didnt have time to read this whole thread about the italian slows. so does this meen they are illegal to sell or buy even if they are italian?

I'd strongly advise reading the whole thread - there's a lot of good information about the legal status and some of the captivity issues you're asking about.

I've since got a definitive answer back from DEFRA. The imported wild-caught slow worms I have are and were completely legal for me to buy, and so long as I could pass along a copy of the paperwork stating their origins, they would be legal for me to sell although I have no intent of doing so - these guys are my pets as well as potential breeding stock.

Their babies, should I ever have any, are legal for me to sell. And captive-bred descendants of these animals do not require any form of licensing to sell. I intend to keep meticulous records on these guys and any progeny will be photographically recorded along with parentage information to ensure that their ancestry is unlikely to be questioned.

Have you ever kept reptiles before, Boocat? I know it might seem to be a total doddle to keep native reptiles, but I've found that my lot actually are more demanding than either of the other species I keep (leopard geckos and a corn snake) - they don't eat most of the commercially available live food (unless your local shop stocks earthworms!) and they DO require UV lighting and some supplemental heating - my juvenile wouldn't eat at all until I provided all three of those things.

I plan to spend my free time next summer observing wild slow worms to see how I can improve the conditions for my group and help ensure that they will be healthy and able to breed eventually.

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Ah that explains the selling of these animals in the UK - looks like it might be a bit tough maintaining these animals - it would be good for you to go out and record the presence of slowworms in your local area so that they can be conserved - the slowworm is very hard to study being a secretive animal - mine disappear for ages in the summer only to turn up in the unlikely of places - the best advise is not to feed the demand for wild caught reptiles and try and get a captive bred gecko or corn snake - maybe rescue an animal from proteus or somewhere

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I DO have a garden, and there is a woods kinda near me. But I have 5 cats, 3 of which would eat anything [or just catch] anything that moves. So it wouldnt really be the best idea to get slows into my garden... and I havent taken care of a reptile before, just Giant African land snails. But the thing is though is that my mum wont let me have any other reptiles. She says Im allowed a slow and thats it!

what do you think I should do then? Any ideas on reptiles like slow worms?

I keep Giant african land snails, cats, freshwater snails and hopefully a slow worm.
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there are many types of legless skinks that would suit you quite well
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No, boocat,..roaming cats & herptiles don't go at all well together! We've got a cat (not 5!) but it's a house cat (perfectly healthy being so, too) & although he is allowed out for a while on most days it's always under supervision. Every year free roaming cats, often of careless, wildlife ignorant owners,  kill & injure a staggering amount of our native herptiles. Anyway, my advice to you would be to get yourself a Leopard Gecko & keep it in a spacious tank with a secure lid on it (safe from all those cats). They're ideal for starters such as yourself. I got one for my daughter ten years ago & the little fella's still doing great with us. You wont believe how easy Leopard Gecko's are to take care of. Start with one of them! 
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Originally posted by boocat boocat wrote:

 and I havent taken care of a reptile before, just Giant African land snails. But the thing is though is that my mum wont let me have any other reptiles. She says Im allowed a slow and thats it! what do you think I should do then? Any ideas on reptiles like slow worms?

Most of the reptiles that are -like- slow worms are generally speaking even more specialist in feeding and care requirements than slow worms are (Burton's legless lizard is a dedicated lizard-eater that generally can't be switched to mice, sheltopusik get to be nearly five feet in length and are partial to snails.... I'm not familiar with the legless skinks, but they'd still almost certainly require UVB lighting at a minimum).

I would recommend waiting until next year to even consider getting a slow worm (you won't be able to find one wild, imported or captive-bred until next year anyway) - and do a great deal of research in the interim. There's not much out there and available on slow worms in captivity, though the Livefoods forum at www.livefoodshop.co.uk/forum is quite informative - there are a couple of keepers of slow worms on there besides myself, one of whom has had the older of her two for nearly a decade. Spend your time thinking about housing, equipment and care requirements - can you spare the space not only for your slow worm's housing, but for the live food housing as well?

One of the other lessons I've had to learn is to keep my hands off of all but one of my slow worms - Hansel 'asks' to come out (insofar as a reptile can 'ask' - he will approach the glass if you look in, and if you open the door, he will come out onto your hands and settle onto your arm) but the others do not like to be disturbed at all. I weigh them every couple of weeks just to make sure everyone's eating and healthy, but that's it. I don't actually SEE each of my slow worms on a daily basis - I see them once or twice a week, but most of their time is spent beneath the substrate in their vivarium. They're not the most visible of reptile pets!

Honestly, I'd second Mick's suggestion that you start with an 'easier' reptile like a leopard gecko - they're nocturnal, relatively easy to house, and make very rewarding pets indeed (If they didn't, I wouldn't be sitting next to nine of 'em, two of which were homebred!) - and they are a great point at which to start getting used to the care requirements of reptiles, easy to feed on commercially available live foods, easy to tame and handle and not particularly pricey to buy either.

Only caveat is that I wouldn't put a leopard gecko into a 'tank' (Fishtank?) - they don't tame down as well in a top-opening enclosure where you look like a bird of prey swooping down on them to pick them up as they do in a front-opening enclosure where you can approach them sideways and coax onto a hand. Several of mine are tame enough that they can be handed to anyone, even folk who are a little frightened of reptiles, and won't do anything alarming.

Then again, I've got geckos like Kurhah who grouses at me when I pick him up and Chara, who is a vicious little eat-beast (now, that is - she had to be assist-fed in the beginning, and she's making up for lost time) who thinks that those big pink things attached to the feeding tongs MUST be giant waxworms.

Ahhh... I think I was talking about slow worms in the beginning here - it's easy to get me off-track about my babies *grin* Any rate, you won't find any slow worms anywhere until next spring/summer at the earliest, so you've got plenty of time to sort out accomodation, heating, lighting, etc if you're absolutely certain that's what you want.

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I would  take the time to read about other reptile species and I would definitely suggest visiting rescue centres to see if you could rescue rather than buy an animal. Go for captive bred if you must go for a bought animal.

On the slowworm front it is best to leave them in the wild (my view) - get involved with a herp conservation group and go out and find animals in the wild - it is much better to try and do this rather than try and keep them

I have seen some great behaviours just watching animals in their natural habitat - well in my garden

 

Here is a mating pair in my garden this May - I have never seen this before actual mating - funnily enough on the same day my parents garden also had a mating pair - great stuff

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I thought that it would be perfect for slow worms in my garden as in all the slugs invading the garden so i was going to get some to breed from a reletive were his slow worms in the garden keep being attacked by cats.Once thier old enough i was going to release them in the garden. I`m trying to get some log piles for the garden for them to hide in.
I`m always finding ways to make my garden more natural.
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