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Cheryl Member


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Hi
I have been directed to your site by Howard from Beautiful Britain, I have a query that I hope you can help with. We have a large pond in our garden and have frogs that have laid spawn this year, but one clump was a creamy white colour, it developed the same as the black spawn and we have loads of tadpoles, thay all look similar but some are very black and others appear very dark brown with slightly lighter spots. We were wondering what the white spawn was? (We live in Blackpool.
Many thanks
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
there have been a few reports of white spawn and strangely coloured frogs recently. It has been suggested that it is due to inbreeding of the local frogs, perhaps because of small populations forming when spawn is introduced in isolated gardens. Both Martin and David have mentioned this recently so I expect they will have more to add.
The dark brown and lighter spotted tadpoles are Common Frog, it is possible that the black tadpoles are Common Toad, if it is a fairly large pond. Would be interesting to hear how the tadpoles develop and if the froglets appear normal.
(spawn will also turn white if caught by frost, but this spawn doesn't develop)
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Martin Senior Member

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Interesting Cheryl, I have some photos of white spawn clumps that came from N. Yorks, that all hatched! I agree with the comments made above.
Martin.
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David Bird Forum Specialist

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I have never really seen any Common Frog spawn that is light in colour but the spawn I have seen most of is in wild ponds. I have however seen several clumps of very light coloured spawn, without the normal pigment , in wild caught Bombina variegata that do develop normally however, I know this has happened to other people as well.
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David, I was jumping ahead a bit, I was referring to your reference to reports of strange coloured frogs in some areas, Martin has pictures to suggest that a clump of white spawn was associated with an orange frog. Come to think of it, there was a single clump of white embryo spawn in with many tens of normal Common Frog clumps at one of the Dartford sites this spring, that looked to be developing normally.
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David Bird Forum Specialist

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Yes I would have expected these albino, yellow or other light coloured frogs to come from light coloured spawn or tadpoles but then the normal tadpole colour is not the same as the normal adult frog so may be not . Perhaps tadpole colour is on another gene to frog colour have had a look in several books on Tadpoles and metamorphosis but no information there. Perhaps an Amphibian academic like Richard Griffiths may know something about this phenomenom.
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Odd coloured frogs and tadpoles are reported from time to time, and there seemed to be a spate of reports from Cornwall a few years ago that was widely reported in the media at the time. As albinism is a recessive mutation that occurs in all animals with a frequency of something like 1 in 20,000 it is likely that pigment-less eggs or tadpoles will occur very occasionally. If it occurs regularly then it could be an indication of inbreeding. Likewise orange (or erythrocystic) frogs may also be caused by certain alleles in the population. Intermediates (partially-pigmented) also occur. In sum, we don't know what causes these colour morphs, and the situation is often confused by infertile spawn which often goes white as a result of fungal infection. My own view is that it is nothing to worry about unless there appears to be a high incidence of strange colour forms or the frogs appear stressed in other ways.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Richard Griffiths
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WE have several patches of white frog spawn that were laid overnight a couple of days ago. they seem to be developing normally, I will try abd isolate a few from each patch and let you have the pictures when they hatch/develop
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