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Matt Harris
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There is a general licence here in Wales as well, for sale of common amphibians outside of the breeding season. I haven't seen the text of it, but the English equivalent used to be viewable on the DEFRA website. You don't need to carry the thing around in your pocket, it just exempts you from the relevant provisions of the WCA.
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herpetologic2
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I need to show my survey or development license on demand to Natural England or Police officers so you should also with selling licenses
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herpetologic2
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Only under a license - I cannot sell toads, frogs and newts as I DO NOT HAVE A LICENSE TO DO SO. If I collected some frogs in my back garden in December - I placed a sign outside my house 'Frogs for sale 50p each' I will be breaking the law as I do not have a license! If you happen to have a license then you are not allowed to sell the amphibians in the breeding season and in particular places Palmate newts are very rare in the counties listed I think you will find that the license will name the licensee and it would not cover anyone else you have to apply for a specific license just like a survey license for great crested newts. Though this may be different for pet shops - for instance they donot need a DWA for selling dangerous animals - they just have to sell to people that have them........ If you apply for a license for a pet shop does that include everyone in the shop?
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herpetologic2
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Where was Natural England, RSPCA and the Police when you need them.......I think we need to make sure that these people get charged I once caught a pet shop cashing in on toad tadpoles - they were selling them in plastic bags at 60p a go - I asked are they common toad? they said they are as common as they come? So I went to the police and the RSPCA paid a visit and all the toad tadpoles were taken off sale - So keep an eye out on exotic pet stores as they may put these animals on sale at this time of year. The plastic bags were on the counter next to the bloodworm and othe rlive foods! Jon
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Alex2
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I hope this was reported? And if not, do you have a name/email etc of the seller/sellers?, if so PM me and I'll pass it on to the relevant people. Sadly a prime example of why it's a bad idea to post on the net specific sites that herps occupy, plays right into the collectors hands. I always like to think that this is a thing of the past but sadly we know this not to be true. |
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Crunchie
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Yes unfortunately I saw an add on a reptile classified add site last year advertising common lizards and slow worms as F2 generation so legal to sell. Unfortunately it eventually turned out that the person selling thought that F2 meant they had to be kept in captivity for two years. To make matters worse they offered to send the slow worms out by Royal mail special delivery which is illegal in itself.
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Alex2
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Good stuff, although not illegal to keep Af captive in this country it's still good to have the paperwork, if anything just to reassure that no underhand tactics were coming from the petshop!. I can remember an old Bournemouth reptile shop (thats since closed) selling Smooth Newts...I think it's fair to say this chap wasn't importing these from over seas. |
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Crunchie
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Hi Alex, I was provided with copies of paperwork for the sale of both animals though I have since misplaced the one for my German slowie. Still have the one for my Russian one however thankfully. |
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A couple of shots from underneath would help too, I can usually tell by the ventral colouration.
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Alex2
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I know where you're coming from Gemma, perhaps Crunchie would kindly take another photo of each?, perhaps an aeriel view over a white background...Would like to see the headshape clearly. But looking at their size I would expect to see the distinctive bulkier head profile showing by now, certainly in the Af Crunchies owned for 9 or so years, but as it stands the colouration/markings/headshape just fall into line with these specimens being females to me.
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