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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JamesM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 2011 at 7:51pm

Live feeding is not illegal if done privately, it's only illegal if it's done publicly, so I am aware.

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Let's remember guys this is a theoretical debate, but it's
interesting to bring up th legalities.

The question is would raising the young be a requirement of
reintroducitons? Or would simply releasing neos into a
receptor area work?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Robert V Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 1:55pm

Raising young would be essential in my opinion. The odds are stacked too high against survival otherwise.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote administrator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 4:17pm
So though we can see advantages, captive rearing raises
lots of issues, DWA, legality of feeding live food, cost,
possible affect of captive adaption. I have to say from a
practical point of view onsite release of gravid females
to a secure area to give birth makes sense. (If it can be
proven to work)

Brett what would be the plan? Capture females from say
two or three nearest donor sites over say three seasons
so you have a succession of litters born on site with a
cross section of local genes? Just image in a few years
finding the first 'home' born adders onsite, that would
really be something!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote administrator Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 9:18pm
Absolutely Brett, my interest is entirely local
conservation. To improve occupancy at a local level using
this sort of technique would be a great achievement.

I certainly would like to see this done, be a lot more
interesting if one was surveying a site and finding no
adder, particularly a historical site, if there really was
an option of reintroduction at the end of the day.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Liz Heard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Mar 2011 at 11:40pm
hi folks,
just to throw in a local example, Stroud Cemetery has a few isolated adder. just along the valley there used to be more (in south facing woodland glades on the farm where my mum grew up - she remembers them) and inbetween theres another (viperaless) location called Snakeshole.
it got that name for a reason ive no doubt.
isolated pockets of ZV persisted here and in other pockets til the 70s. saw them myself.

looking at 18 and 19c etchings of this vale you can easily see the whole thing was probably once a haven for both sp.
(land management is the problem now , not development. so the potential is still there)


you guys are the experts not me but from all ive read on RAUK and elsewhere, i wouldnt be surprised if the cemetery adders and vivs are on their way out unless some sort of habitat development/management linking nearby former sites and reintros are done soon.

i realise theres probably little chance of this happening.
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Hi Ben no doubt the local curate will soon be getting the
Rosemary & Time team in to give it a quick make over that
dont leave a space for tatty old snakes and lizards
spoiling the the pretty flowers
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Originally posted by Paul Hudson Paul Hudson wrote:


Also I think it may be illegal to feed live lizards to snakes?



It is not illegal though should be discouraged.

My neonate berus eat defrosted pinkie mice so no need to go down that route
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This has the potential to become an extremely interesting debate bringing the various issues which most adder capture and translocation or introduction schemes in to play.

There is the legality of those wanting to keep adders (very few in the UK).

The issue of a Dangerous Wild Animal Licence not easy to obtain!

DEFRA animal transport licence

Insurance is an important issue as what happens to Mr X who releases adders to a previously "abandoned site" and little Jonny gets tagged?

Bad PR for adders and possible litigation?

The issues go on but it makes an interesting topic that I am happy to have an input into
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote will Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 2012 at 4:52pm
the possibility of litigation also influences local authorities and makes it hard / impossible to get official permission to introduce and even re-introduce adders overtly to many sites, especially in areas of high human presence, such as near towns and cities.  I can only see this problem getting worse in the future, unless people take a more pragmatic attitude to risk.  If adders do start to go the way of the rarer species, they will be much harder to place in suitable habitat than non-venomous species... 
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