New Forest help

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   I am holidaying in the New Forest the first week in August and was wondering if any one could recommend any good herp sites, especially Smooth or Grass Snakes, I realise sites are not to be braodcast to everyone. I am a keen photographer and have recently been involved with the make Adders count survey organised by Chris Monk in Derbyshire. I currently have a Licence from English Nature to photograph GCN, so hopefully this shows my integrity when it comes to both site security and the subjects welfare. I have holidayed in the New Forest a number of times, I love it as an area, but I am developing more of an interest in herps, especially since my frequent trips to Derbyshire to count and photograph the Adders, but don't really know the area well enough to know the best sites. I am staying around Lyndhurst but know the Bealieu heath area fairly well. If anyone in the area, photographer or not fancied meeting up for a couple of hours (I'm sure I can pursuade the misses to spend a few hours shopping), or if anyone could suggest locations it would be really appreciated. If for site integrity reasons you would rather contact me off forum that would be fine. I don't mind travelling further a field for a good site.
Graham
ps I did see one Adder on my last visit in the Shirley Holmes area, but that was a glancing view, and a Grass snake around Hatchet pond 3 years ago (didn't have my camera with me, typical photographer!)
www.grahamella.co.uk 

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grezza Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote grezza Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: New Forest help Posted: 11 Jul 2006 at 4:46pm
	I am holidaying in the New Forest the first week in August and was wondering if any one could recommend any good herp sites, especially Smooth or Grass Snakes, I realise sites are not to be braodcast to everyone. I am a keen photographer and have recently been involved with the make Adders count survey organised by Chris Monk in Derbyshire. I currently have a Licence from English Nature to photograph GCN, so hopefully this shows my integrity when it comes to both site security and the subjects welfare. I have holidayed in the New Forest a number of times, I love it as an area, but I am developing more of an interest in herps, especially since my frequent trips to Derbyshire to count and photograph the Adders, but don't really know the area well enough to know the best sites. I am staying around Lyndhurst but know the Bealieu heath area fairly well. If anyone in the area, photographer or not fancied meeting up for a couple of hours (I'm sure I can pursuade the misses to spend a few hours shopping), or if anyone could suggest locations it would be really appreciated. If for site integrity reasons you would rather contact me off forum that would be fine. I don't mind travelling further a field for a good site. Graham ps I did see one Adder on my last visit in the Shirley Holmes area, but that was a glancing view, and a Grass snake around Hatchet pond 3 years ago (didn't have my camera with me, typical photographer!) www.grahamella.co.uk
	Graham Ella www.grahamella.co.uk

herpetologic2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Coordinator Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1511	Post Options Post Reply Quote herpetologic2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jul 2006 at 5:30pm
	Hi Graham Lovely photographs on your website - HCT are looking for photos for their NARRS website - would you like to donate some for their new project - www.narrs.org.uk? I would be able to meet up with you to take you to some sites in the New Forest where hopefully we can find some smooth snakes etc - I have a license to photograph them so please pm if your are interested Jon

grezza Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote grezza Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Jul 2006 at 6:15pm
	Hi Jon Thanks so much for the offer, I'll definitely take you up on it. I tried to send you a PM but it said you're limit had been exceeded? or something like that. Could you e-mail me on info(at)grahamella.co.uk and we can discuss further. Graham
	Graham Ella www.grahamella.co.uk

Kinder Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kinder Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 27 Dec 2007 at 12:20pm
	I cannot believe what I am reading from Graham Ella - remember some of us know the truth....count adders what a load of bul.s.it Edited by Kinder

AGILIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 27 Feb 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1689	Post Options Post Reply Quote AGILIS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Dec 2007 at 4:23am
	HI KINDER WHAT IS THE GRAHAM ELLA TRUTH ?? / GIVE US A CLUE REGARDS KEITH
	LOCAL ICYNICAL CELTIC ECO WARRIOR AND FAILED DRUID

grezza Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote grezza Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Dec 2007 at 6:52am
	Hi Folks I'm a bit confused myself, I haven't logged on for a while but always have a read of the threads. I don't know what 'Kinder' is referring too, sounds as though it's supposed to be funny, because of the winky smiley... but have to say it does make me sound a bit sinister 'know the truth'. So whoever this new member is 'Kinder' maybe they can enlighten us all. It seems very strange to add to a post that I made in July 2006???? As for me 'counting' Adders a quick phone call or e-mail to Chris Monk will verify that I have submitted all my findings to him for the last 2 years while I've been involved in the 'Make Adders count' scheme. Happy Christmas to all (a bit late) and have a great New Year. Graham
	Graham Ella www.grahamella.co.uk

grezza Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote grezza Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Dec 2007 at 7:39am
	Oh I realise who 'Kinder' is, it's Geoff Simpson. How's it going Geoff long time no see. Are you still over here or in Portugal? Hope you're well. Still not sure what you're referring too, what is 'the truth....' but at least i know who posted the comment. Graham
	Graham Ella www.grahamella.co.uk

Chris Monk Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 282	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chris Monk Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 30 Dec 2007 at 5:51pm
	At this time of seasonal goodwill we shouldn't be throwing mud (ie unsubstantiated rumors) around amongst ourselves - leave that to the politicians and Z list celebrities!. Graham has indeed been helping me with the HCT's Make the Adder Count springtime emergence survey these last two years after coming on a training day in 2006. He and several other volunteers have been visiting various hibernation sites across the Peak District as John Newton & I can't cover everywhere ourselves to ensure we get true maximum numbers across the season. If you want to know more come to the Herp Workers Meeting, where you will see a list of all those who have helped with the surveys and with information - a list that includes both Graham and also Geoff! Any more on this topic shouldn't be under the Smooth Snake forum anyway.
	Chris Derbyshire Amphibian & Reptile Group www.derbyshirearg.co.uk

herpetologic2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Coordinator Joined: 15 Jun 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1511	Post Options Post Reply Quote herpetologic2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2007 at 5:34am
	Looking forward to the talk on the project there Chris, not sure what kinder was on about probably best to ignore really J
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grezza Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 14	Post Options Post Reply Quote grezza Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 31 Dec 2007 at 5:59am
	Thanks Chris for posting. I'm sure the original post by Geoff Simpson 'Kinder' was intended to be humourous but for peolpe that don't know me, it did make me sound a little 'sinnister'. Yes, I am into my photography BUT there were times last year that I just went out, without a camera to monitor the Adders, because i could cover more ground and hopefully find more (23 was the most) . I am new to it, and Chris has tought me a lot, so didn't want anything to jeapordise my chances of carrying on next year. Thanks for stepping in and closing off this thread. Hope you all have a great New Year, and hopefully I'll find the first Adder of 2008, oh, and photograph it Graham
	Graham Ella www.grahamella.co.uk